Group Discussion on Kantz

1. What were your reading purposes of this text? And what were your attitudes? Can you tell how these two factors affected your writing Q&R 5?

The purpose of reading this article is because in Kantz article it teaches a theory based on explanation is need to understand the nature and reasons for students problems with writing persuasive researched papers. We agreed with the article because it helps better understand how research papers should be comprised.

2. What is original argument? How did you come up with a question every time you write a Q&R? How did you formulate your response? Do you see your responses as original arguments? Why?

There is a question to every argument and there is never a right question since everyone has their own opinion. They way we come up with a question is when the article whatever we may not understand we try and answer ourselves. After reading, we go back to the article and we try to find the answer to the question that we had created for ourselves. Yes and no because we use both our own words and refer more to the article.

3. What is “writer-based prose”? Examples?

Writing we do for ourselves and the writing we do for the reader before we become the reader. As an example when someone reads your journal it puts themselves in the writers position and by doing this makes the reader more interested in the text.

4. What is rhetorical situation? What includes in a typical rhetorical situation?

The position of writing that relates content and understanding in your own words. What is included is the context, the writer, topics,audiences, and the purpose this is what a typical rhetorical situation consists of.

What is the significance of each angle in the rhetorical situation triangle? What does a focus on a particular point of the triangle tell you?

One point can belong to the particular part of the triangle. you can be more original and express yourself more which can help you compose a better essay.

5. What are the differences between facts and opinions?

A fact is a proven statement while an opinion is your own statement to your best belief.

Jaime Arevalo

Alan Garcia

Nathan Moncivais

Discussion on Kantz

1.What were your reading purposes of this text? And what were your attitudes? Can you tell how these two factors affected your writing Q&R 5?

Our purpose was to know what the article was about and gain knowledge of "textual sources". Our attitudes upon reading were somewhat similar. We thought that this article was a bit long but shorter than Downs and Wardle. At first we weren't really interested but as we read along, we realized that we could relate to the student mentioned.

2. What is original argument? How did you come up with a question every time you write a Q&R? How did you formulate your response? Do you see your responses as original arguments? Why?

An original argument is when you write your own argument based on textual resources. We would focus on one of the ideas from the article and brainstorm on different questions and chose the one we thought was the best question. We would link personal experiences with our questions and examples from the article by adding quotes to support it. We don't think our responses are original arguments because we base our answers on the article and we don't really make an argument.

3. What is “writer-based prose”? Examples?

Writer-based prose is when a student "organizes what should be an expository analysis as a narrative". Examples would be when a student begins his/her paragraph with "my first point" or "my first source". They are trying to make it into a narrative by saying what they are going to write about and then explaining it.

4.What is rhetorical situation? What includes in a typical rhetorical situation? What is the significance of each angle in the rhetorical situation triangle? What does a focus on a particular point of the triangle tell you?

Rhetorical situation is how we represent but do not state. We read sources off of the internet and then write about what we read but we never say our opinions. The way we write isn't how present ourselves. The significance of each angle is that it sometimes one type of discourse belongs more to a particular point, or angle, than to the others.

5. What are the differences between facts and opinions?

Opinions are our own thoughts and feelings about a certain thing. Facts are statements based on actual events and are the truth.

Composed by: Jose Garcia, Ashley Torres, Denise Valdez

q&r discussion question

1. What were your reading purposes of this text? And what were your attitudes? Can you tell how these two factors affected your writing Q&R 5?
The purpose is to learn the methods of learning in articles or reading purposes. An open minded attitude to learning and the skills being used. The factors helped to analyze my written text even more to be detailed and thorough



2. What is original argument? How did you come up with a question every time you write a Q&R? How did you formulate your response? Do you see your responses as original arguments? Why?
The argument studies that students need to read beyond the lines and not only research but think on there own and find beyond sources than just the internet,and have a personal point of view. Some stated by the author that is questionable and able to research about it and help others understand my point of view and opinion rather than just the other. Formulating a response by thinking about it, in agreeing or not.



3. What is “writer-based prose”? Examples?
is when Shirley "organizes what should be an expository analysis as a narrative" we as students frequently use time - based organizing pattern.we do everything my point or by stating what is happening instead of the moral.

4. What is rhetorical situation? What includes in a typical rhetorical situation?
What is the significance of each angle in the rhetorical situation triangle? What does a focus on a particular point of the triangle tell you?

it means the way a writer presents a task and how we think of those dimensions and wheter she thinks about them at all.The triangle is flat and doesn't have anything to it, it means not adding more to it than what you can.

5. What are the differences between facts and opinions?


Fact are what is stated to be true and opinion can be what we interpret and analyze, what we believe in our own words and giving it detail by stating what others might not find true.


(By: Marlon Duran
Lizzbeth Morales)

Q&R 5

How can writing a research paper difficult compared to a narrative essay?
Margaret Kantz performs the study of a typical college sophomore. With inexperienced writing techniques, it is difficult to complete an assignment that requires a student to perform abilities that they have not yet acquired. Margaret Kantz explains that a research paper needs a “theory-based explanation.” Throughout the study, then author was able to pinpoint exactly where Shirley was confused about the topics that needed to be covered. Shirley used facts of the textual evidence and tied it into her own story. She wrote on a topic of her choice but was unable to comment on the material. Many students may face these difficulties because they do not analyze the text. They read the facts and find it easier to follow a particular format.
A writer must be able to complete a legitimate argument to produce a paper that includes the appropriate structure, ton, and the purpose of the original argument. Shirley based her paper on the facts and main purpose instead of going into depth. When I wrote my Project 1 essay, I was able to relax and not stress out about it. I was able to use reading strategies that Haas and Flower presented in order to make sure my audience understood what I was trying to explain. The rhetorical reading strategies require the reader to read in between the lines. I believe Shirley could have applied these strategies to her own paper but as she did the research paper, she was using content strategies.
When making an argument, it is still possible to use voice and opinions to persuade the reader to agree with the topic. Schwegler and Shamoon describe that the task is look at more like a fill in the blanks, show-me-you’ve-read approach by a typical student. Because Shirley took this approach her grade was surprisingly low.

Q&R 5

How can writing a research paper difficult compared to a narrative essay?
Margaret Kantz performs the study of a typical college sophomore. With inexperienced writing techniques, it is difficult to complete an assignment that requires a student to perform abilities that they have not yet acquired. Margaret Kantz explains that a research paper needs a “theory-based explanation.” Throughout the study, then author was able to pinpoint exactly where Shirley was confused about the topics that needed to be covered. Shirley used facts of the textual evidence and tied it into her own story. She wrote on a topic of her choice but was unable to comment on the material. Many students may face these difficulties because they do not analyze the text. They read the facts and find it easier to follow a particular format.
A writer must be able to complete a legitimate argument to produce a paper that includes the appropriate structure, ton, and the purpose of the original argument. Shirley based her paper on the facts and main purpose instead of going into depth. When I wrote my Project 1 essay, I was able to relax and not stress out about it. I was able to use reading strategies that Haas and Flower presented in order to make sure my audience understood what I was trying to explain. The rhetorical reading strategies require the reader to read in between the lines. I believe Shirley could have applied these strategies to her own paper but as she did the research paper, she was using content strategies.
When making an argument, it is still possible to use voice and opinions to persuade the reader to agree with the topic. Schwegler and Shamoon describe that the task is look at more like a fill in the blanks, show-me-you’ve-read approach by a typical student. Because Shirley took this approach her grade was surprisingly low.

Q&R 1

How can having good self confidence and asking for help when it is needed help students like Jack better succeed?
In the D&W Article we learned about a student named Jack who struggled through an English class at Utah Valley State College. His previous writing experiences with negligent discouraging classes and instructors in his earlier education had not only damaged his understanding about writing and his ability to write, but had actually damaged his self esteem to the point that he became very reluctant to even try to write. However, in his English with Professor Downs, he was greatly encouraged in his writing and helped by the instructor in his drafts and writings. This helped him to succeed and expand his prowess as a writer. I believe that it is very important that students of writing are given as much encouragement and help as they need because not many get it and this, I believe, is largely to blame for the failure of many students in writing and reading classes, because they don’t know what they are doing and do not have the confidence nor the support to help them learn and overcome their impairments. Self confidence is everything in terms of helping people succeed and overcome obstacles in life that hinder their true potential. If someone does not believe that one can do something, then they will fail from the onset. If I believe that I can’t write this paper and write it well, then I’ve already failed from the beginning simply by not believing in myself and my abilities. It is very possible that I won’t even attempt to write. However, if I have great confidence in myself and my abilities, I will have a much greater chance of trying and succeeding in my writing endeavors. This applies to everything in life, if someone does not have sufficient self confidence and believe that they can set out and achieve their goals, then they will fail.

Q&R4 Sommers
Do revisions from Peers really work or are they Helpful?

How can we as students revise other papers, when at times I don’t even know what I’m writing about let alone revise someone’s paper. “Students consider the thesaurus a harvest of lexical substitutions and believe that most problems in their essays can be solved by rewording” How can we as students be sure that our “revision’s “ of papers isn’t just rewording instead of the actual text making sense. Not all students actually give intense criticism that the writer can actually reflect on, I in my perspective rather have myself revise my paper or friends I can actually trust, or for the professor to review my writing with me. All I ever get from previous revisions is “doesn’t make sense, rephrase” other students don’t understand the way each individual has for writing each person has a different style. Are they really helpful? I guess the only way to actually prove if they do, is if the first time you did it without revision it made better sense or after the revision. If you actually like other students reading you’re work and some even receiving your ideas to use in their essays, or articles. So maybe trying revision of peers papers can be a good idea but its all in the comments you receive or if you’re a good writer is it worth someone other than the professor to read your articles or essays. “Recursive process- a processes with significant recurring activities – with different levels of attention and different agenda for each cycle”, is it actual what other students give in revising or is it just to finish the assignment.